Curse

OneArmedScissor · Aug 11, 2005, 07:32 PM // 19:32

When are you people going to stop crying about an arbitrary problem?

There is absolutely NOTHING in the game that is forcing people to spend 3K on silver dye or sell their silver dye for 42g to the NPCs, etc.
Why on earth would you spend 3K on silver dye from an NPC when you're able to get it from a person who is gonna trade it for 500-1K gold???

If anything, the problem is laziness. You'd rather make a pointless thread about some made up problem instead of going out and actually spending 5 minutes trying to trade for silver dye. Seriously... the complaints about the economy, etc. are just out right ridiculous.

raven214 · Aug 11, 2005, 07:49 PM // 19:49

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Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

When are you people going to stop crying about an arbitrary problem?

There is absolutely NOTHING in the game that is forcing people to spend 3K on silver dye or sell their silver dye for 42g to the NPCs, etc.
Why on earth would you spend 3K on silver dye from an NPC when you're able to get it from a person who is gonna trade it for 500-1K gold???

If anything, the problem is laziness. You'd rather make a pointless thread about some made up problem instead of going out and actually spending 5 minutes trying to trade for silver dye. Seriously... the complaints about the economy, etc. are just out right ridiculous.

This is not an arbitrary problem. This is not laziness. The complaints are not just out right ridiculous. They are far too relevant.

The economy is messed up. When traders sell things for >1k, and yet buy it for only 1g.... aside from being one heck of a profit margin, that's not right. The out of control inflation doesn't affect farmers or market watchers as much, but for those that actually just play the game... we're effectively being punished for not farming/playing the market. And you call people lazy for avoiding endless "WTS WTS WTS WTS WTB WTB WTB WTB WTS cool sword WTB good shoes WTS a tooth brush, etc"? Maybe if there were a better trade system (which hopefully there will be in the semi-near future), but it's not always so easy to find what you're looking for.

As an example of the messed up pricing, I attached a screen from earlier today showing the dye trader's selling prices compared with their buy prices (<--for the dyes I have... didn't have them all). I didn't really believe it till I saw it myself.

Sofonisba · Aug 11, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

My biggest problem, I kid you not, with the dye prices the way they are now:

Pre-searing scammers.

People have pretty good luck finding dyes in presearing, yet they see it is only worth 1gp at the merchant, even less than the 2-4 dmg sword in their inventory. It leads them to believe dye is expendable and easy to come by.

Then you get the loser/scammer who has one character sitting in presearing, offering - WOW! - 100 gp for that black dye worth only 1 at the merchant. How could they refuse that?

It really really really makes me mad to see people taking advantage of others.
Meanwhile, why in the world would the newbies ever believe me, some stranger, saying in local chat that they should hold onto that dye, it is worth thousands later on?

My two questions are:

a) What is wrong with people running around with so much money? What makes a gold sink "necessary?"
b) The merchant never runs out of bags, ID kits and salvage kits, and the prices never change... why can the dye not work the same way?

raven214 · Aug 11, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by Sofonisba

b) The merchant never runs out of bags, ID kits and salvage kits, and the prices never change... why can the dye not work the same way?

I've wondered about this too. At least they could put a 1 or 5k cap on it -- that way it would still fluctuate, but it wouldn't spike up to 40k.

Alana · Aug 11, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

I understand the whole money sink issue...and that there are many people in the game with tons of money and they need something to spend it on. Fine and dandy. However, there are many people in the game (myself included) who do not have time to sit in town and spam "WTS Black Dye!". When I get the time to play this game, I want to do just that, play it! Not sit in town and try to sell things. To that end, I would prefer selling to a trader. I don't suggest the trader give us 90% of the selling price, I realize that's high. But even 50% would be good for me.

I am sitting on 3 black dyes...but today the trader offered me 1g for them. Mind you, she was selling them for 34k or so. *sigh*

I think a consistent buy-back price of 50% from the traders would be fair. Higher would be better of course

, but I'd be okay with 50%.

OneArmedScissor · Aug 11, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

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Originally Posted by raven214

This is not an arbitrary problem. This is not laziness. The complaints are not just out right ridiculous. They are far too relevant.

The economy is messed up. When traders sell things for >1k, and yet buy it for only 1g.... aside from being one heck of a profit margin, that's not right. The out of control inflation doesn't affect farmers or market watchers as much, but for those that actually just play the game... we're effectively being punished for not farming/playing the market. And you call people lazy for avoiding endless "WTS WTS WTS WTS WTB WTB WTB WTB WTS cool sword WTB good shoes WTS a tooth brush, etc"? Maybe if there were a better trade system (which hopefully there will be in the semi-near future), but it's not always so easy to find what you're looking for.

As an example of the messed up pricing, I attached a screen from earlier today showing the dye trader's selling prices compared with their buy prices (<--for the dyes I have... didn't have them all). I didn't really believe it till I saw it myself.

You only give examples of dye traders. You don't need dye at all in this game what so ever. Dye doesn't affect a damn thing in this game other than the color of your armor. Your whole arguement is pathetic.

Alana · Aug 11, 2005, 08:30 PM // 20:30

It isn't just dyes, although that seems to be a hot topic at the moment. I have found it to be true with runes and materials as well. The traders offer a pitiful amount in return for these items, then turn around and sell them at ridiculous prices. For those of us who don't farm (for whatever reason, we don't need a farming debate here), we can't make money from the things we do get, and therefore can't buy the things we want. I realize I could sit in town and sell the things I have for a decent amount, but I didn't buy the game to trade items.

Perhaps I'm just whining, but I really think there must be a better way.

kuramaroze · Aug 11, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Anet neglects the largest problem in the game again! Oh no, we'd rather fix price of failiure than the entire game's economy!

Red Sonya · Aug 11, 2005, 09:22 PM // 21:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneArmedScissor

When are you people going to stop crying about an arbitrary problem?

There is absolutely NOTHING in the game that is forcing people to spend 3K on silver dye or sell their silver dye for 42g to the NPCs, etc.
Why on earth would you spend 3K on silver dye from an NPC when you're able to get it from a person who is gonna trade it for 500-1K gold???

If anything, the problem is laziness. You'd rather make a pointless thread about some made up problem instead of going out and actually spending 5 minutes trying to trade for silver dye. Seriously... the complaints about the economy, etc. are just out right ridiculous.

I agree 100%